Talk of Guy H. Musser, Salt Lake City, 8 May 1960
8 May 1960
Talk of Guy H. Musser, Salt Lake City, 8 May 1960
A talk by Guy H. Musser at a general meeting at the Fischer home in Salt Lake City. The archive file is labeled Guy H. Musser. The automatic transcript of the opening does not clearly name the speaker. The text is an automatic, unreviewed transcript of the recording, lightly paragraphed for reading. The recording itself is the source.
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I appreciate the opportunity of being here tonight. I'm looking into your faces and knowing that the Lord and that he is reigning over his work. He has the true blessings and final exhortation for the first time. There's no doubt in my mind. I would like to finished already. Tried to say anything, but keep on your feet, friends, brothers, and sisters. It has been an honor to awaken all of us out of this people that have fallen upon us before them. Awaken us to the realization of true standing and position. We begin to work diligently and hard, and feel good in the work, so that bitterness, division, and sadness, and the disobedience of children to care, and the wise to hope.
brethren to the Lord, and that thou leadest me to the people of God. And we will begin to find out the ways of God. But sometimes the answer is so simple, we don't believe it. Other times it's so shocking, that before we get around to practicing it, we have forgotten what we were taught. And other times it runs so contrary to what we have been taught, that we don't believe it.
And those are just two reasons out of many that we find ourselves in the same condition, that we're not progressing, that we're not drawing closer to the fountain of life. I received an anonymous letter from a female. I'm glad that she didn't sign her name. It's a letter that most all of you women forgot at one time or another. She pointed out what we were teaching in our public meetings.
and how wonderful the teachings were, and how practical they appeared in the promotion of peace, the perfecting of a people. But then she pointed out, what are we for people to do? Well, the Jews don't believe the things that are being taught. Because of passion, of circumstance, and because of notion, heaven hung to the Lord.
My father came out of the room one day, sweating and wiping his sweaty bra off his hip top. find children, and sometimes fathers and mothers, and to say, I wish these young parents would tell a few good, wholesome jokes of their children, instead of trying to preach to them about things they don't understand. I've heard the other prophets say about the same thing. They're willing to accept the gospel of the agency, but never apply it.
They're willing to accept every cincy as a doctor, and it sounds good and beautiful, but you never try it. All eyes see a thing, let it happen, and sometimes a nun will throw on you into a condition of confusion, not knowing what to do, because you've got an entire cincy now. You don't know the proper things to say, to tell a good joke, or to keep still. It's your baseball game. Thank you.
distribution of our presence. We're willingly and openly, to be certain, that that perhaps is the way we thought at that time, that we didn't have much light, but now we have received revelation on the subject, and this is the way we feel. What a wonderful attitude that is, that how few of us will accept that part of you.
Because of our hidden homogeny and vanity and unbelief, we feel that if we confess that we have not always known the truth, that we will be humiliated ourselves. But that's not the truth. We live line upon line and precept upon precept. We see the truth of God's doctrine. We believe that God has revealed many things according to his book, but that he has yet revealed many important things. For the few principles that he has revealed relating to the modus operandi of the principle of total marriage is a starvation principle. The little that he has actually revealed on how to talk is his principle. So how should it embarrass man?
to tell their wives that they have now found out the truth, and that in the past they had perhaps taken a course that has now altogether promoted a peace and happiness and progress in the eyes of the Lord. But the Lord has instructed them further now of how to do this. What a wonderful attitude. That would be, if we could take it.
and they begin to develop these kingdoms to go back into biblical days in their minds and to legislate a dream that will never come to pass and begin to initiate this dream when they find the unit. It's half time, 25 seconds. ever since to the family union, which causes confusion to come into the minds of those it has adopted, so that they develop the spirit and disposition of proving rightly the things of the Lord. One child is sitting in the audience in one of these rooms tonight, and more than one woman has said in the last month, Well, I wonder what that is going to come up with now.
of you sitting here and said that. And I hope that it's not just a fact that I'm afraid that most of it is. Now this criticism falls upon us all to merely bring it to our attention to show us our standing before the Lord and that through years of learning how by professional teachers to treat lightly the things of God we have formed a habit of treating Everything like it. And we have been changed. And I acknowledge that thing. By professional teachers. In my life. That I was trained. To teach that thing of God. And so now I have to train myself. Develop my character. To teach seriously. The things of God. To barely live by. Every word. That Jesus taught. In the mouth of God.
And you're all the same. It makes no difference which family you might belong to or what name might be carved on your back. You're more or less in the same position and have the same because our Father has served. But he placed us all under that condemnation because of our vanity and because of our unbelief. And so we have treated you. We have developed that.
habit. We have found a habit of doing that. So it's just as natural for one of these girls when she marries a boy in this season, no matter what their moral virtue might be, no matter what their moral virtue might be, it's just very natural unless she has caught this picture and has begun to read it.
to reform herself and regenerate herself, is very necessary for her to keep lightly the things her husband says, because it is necessary for her to get a better mind. And it's just as necessary for the mind to keep lightly what the present says as it is for him to do anything else. Unless he has caught this picture, found out what his condition is, recognized his disease, and has begun to regenerate his character, so that he can see what's wrong with him. So it is. Vincent, the president here, said that a certain law, the law of the priesthood, can only be administered through revelation by him. Under those conditions, upon what basis did the Lord...
Give you a revelation contract on that basis. God give you a revelation contract. It wouldn't be surprising if men and women who receive dreams and revelations, according to certain things, after the presence of God. It comes naturally. Raise your hand to your mouth with a fork full of food. If your mouth is paralyzed, it's blocked open. When that food gets into your mouth, your mouth begins to wake.
He's always there to see that food. And you've got to hold yourself to stop that simple process of happening. You have to take a forkful of food and I have to say stop it. Once you go through that, you're going to have to work hard. He's trying to get over to us. He's not condoning us. He's not trying to criticize us to death. He's not trying to say he doesn't love us. He's trying to show us That we are diseased in his eyes. And that there is a way to cure ourselves and to make ourselves like healed. That's what he's trying to say. But we've got to have faith in him. We've got to have faith that what he says is genuine. And that's our condition. And if he says, my boy, you have a certain disease.
If I can tell you that I don't have it, I will be just exactly like you do. And so he points these defects of our character out and tells us that we must be placed under condemnation until we are able to... a portion of his confidence. A light that gets light. That's all there is to it, brethren and sisters. A relative can mourn and weep and partake and dream for all the days of their lives and throughout all the ages of eternity. Those who are like God in spirit and character will reign with him.
and see what is his, and receive his full confidence. And those who are not like him will find their way to people who they can enjoy living with. And so it will be with me. Those in my family who are like me, who possess the same spirit and power and desires and character, They'll find grace and beauty and find that all that I have is yours. And they'll have a desire to be in my company and I will keep their company. But those who don't, they'll find no relief in my presence. They'll find nothing to talk about. They'll find themselves to be in an awkward position and I'll be in an awkward position.
Because I'll have secrets that I can't reveal to them. I'll have blessings that I can't tell them about. So finally they're going to have to seek and find their level of character among the saints and among the Gentiles. And there they'll be at peace. They'll have something to talk about. They can reveal their lives and be filled where they can't in my presence.
That's a simple lie that you have all experienced, more or less, throughout your life experience. That's just the way it's going to continue to be. So, I want to become like those that I want to dwell among. If I want to dwell among the Gentiles, I want to become in character like the Gentiles. If I want to dwell with my Father, Joseph Marshall and his associates. I've got to become a character like Joseph Marshall and his associates. The same spirit must be in me, must guide me and motivate my actions. I must believe in the same principle and see eye to eye and have the same purposes, feel the same about these things.
So there won't be any unity, or affection, or love, or confidence. So all we have to do is find out who we want to live with and work with, and under whose government we want to dwell, and then go ahead and work to that end. And in answer to this woman's inquiry, and by way of caution to you good, noble...
wonderful, deserving husband. In the first place, don't try to put your women under such strict bondage and covenants that you make praise out of them so that they can approach you and tell you the truth about how you look, that you've got a hole in the seat of your pants. It's very hard for a man to see the hole in the seat of his ticket. You have to remember that, darling.
And most of you have got your females under such strict covenants that they doesn't even say daddy. Your hind ends are hanging up. Now, brethren, that's your fault. And sisters, if you can get your husbands to be the kind of government they should be, then it is your duty to honor them by telling them the truth.
About how you feel and your sickness. Not so very large and no large. Turning over on the inside. You go to the Lord first and ask him for your spirit. So your attitude will not be an attitude of criticism towards your husband. But that it will be an attitude of teaching. So like, know, and understand him. And guide him. So that when you approach him.
There will be in such a way that you are asking for death when you are not beginning. It's shown that we make the mistake of not seeking the Lord, and so our approach is an approach of criticism rather than the approach of seeking for help. But I guess I have voiced it so often that we are dishonest, so dishonest that we will not teach.
each other the truth. And I know boys and girls who have gone through four and five years until finally they have broken down to tell the truth of the situation. But it all comes from this character of feeling lightly the things of God and developing this habit of not living by every word of the truth from the mouth of the Lord. Now do this.
put it so simply. He says, if you love me, you will keep my command. If you say that you love me, you don't keep my command. It's a sign that you're alive, and the truth is indeed. Now there's a sign that's as simple as God himself. By reaching and revealing, I can find him too. Well, it is like that.
Now can we understand why we are actually alive? You love me? Your will is swallowed up in mine. You'll keep my command. That's the way it goes in Timber. Stated? I want my will to be swallowed up in the will of my father. That's right. There's millions of beautiful women. I want the relationship between man and woman. There's millions of beautiful women in the world.
kill, not to save God, their husband. And they consider that love. But it isn't love because of this reason. They have a divided affection. The woman has affection for her husband. And the one thing in her death is a pot. But she has an equal affection for the things of this world. I will tell you, you cannot say it enough.
I love you daddy with all my heart. I'm not doing anything for you. Instead of saying that, you should say, I love you daddy, but I love you too. It's going to be this way. I was raised poor. I've never had anything. I have a complex and I'm insecure. I have a fear of doing without. I must say that I love equally things which were. I find hope in closing the security. Now that's the truth. So if you've got time to do it, that's the truth. That's recognizing the conscious disease in the character.
The church says they love you and doesn't seek your commandment. Then the Lord says you're a liar. What? I'm a liar? I've never told a lie in my life. My own father and my own mother can tell you that I've never told a lie. That's for the grace of God. Exactly what they say. And perhaps not in the way of Satan.
in the world she considers alive. But we're talking about this other thing, that the Lord revealed to us. If a woman loves her husband, her will is swallowed up in him. She loves to keep this to you. Every breath, every fiber, every part of her physical, dear body. They live and do to be in the presence of their Lord. And their will is followed up from here. Now, those who are disaffected, who are cold, and who don't find there is only one indication. You don't love your other self. You're affected in your desire to live with a good man. And you wouldn't want to live with anybody else.
But your affection and love is equally centered on certain same objects of the world. And so you are trying to serve two masters. Which one do you hate? You have to hate one of them. Which one are you hating and not knowing? But these faces you know of. After all, you're stupid. Because I've been facing you children. But there are two of them.
If you like it, feel free to comment. Now how can your will, how can you commit your will to be swallowed up in the will of God? It's necessary for you to disrobe yourself, disrobe your person of everything that is against the will of your Father. Just like it's necessary for the wife to disrobe herself.
of everything in her territory that is against the will of her husband. Just like it's necessary for the children to disrobe themselves of all affections contrary to their past. How wonderful for a boy or girl to be blessed, loved, and perfect to be with her. I can't do this with you. That's what I'm going to do. Not my own way, but to fulfill.
and perception is good, and it's the evolution of destiny. But if we don't realize our problems, one generation is piled upon another, and they keep embedding themselves in this unbelieving character of treating lightly the things of God, until it becomes a part of their religious actions, and they feel that they're justified before the Lord in doing it.
A man, we are told, by all the prophets, should be such a man that a good woman's will and safety and perfect security be swallowed up under his will. A type of a man may have a problem. I realize that. But she must be alert and she must realize the revelation is being given constantly and the man may be progressing and learning.
and she cannot hold against them the former foolishness that she neither taught a man just like you can't hold against her the former foolishness but you can't hurt them if they live according to the direction of an inspired priesthood and thus revelation is added to them and they learn and learn how to overcome that's what a man should be seeks to be is the type of a man that a good woman can let her will be swallowed up into his, so that every fiber of her being is wiped by his light. And if you only live for the sake of your will, your brethren can approach the same people. In relation to our leaders and to our Father in Heaven, we have made the game. If you only live for the purpose will be swallowed up. We live that every side of our being is given life and life. One tends to do his will. Without his mind and his will and his spirit, we would be of all men most miserable. Just like so the mind to withdraw his spirit and his mind from his contentment would make him miserable in this contentment.
and the powers of heaven are withdrawn. We are left to ourselves. We have no life, authority, inspiration. You've got to be one to teach it to each other. Instead of you getting silent prayer to the old doctrines, it might be a good thing. It might be fair enough. You're polygamy most of the time, and when you're not dealing on polygamy, you're complimenting your children. You're giving them faithfulness and telling them that They're turning to the world to accomplish this, or to accomplish that, and so forth, until you lose what you love about you. But when true revelation comes, you don't know what to do. Start telling a few hoaxes and jokes, and live naturally. But teach these children these principles that you're assigned to embed in your soul, so they'll teach those to you. Teach them.
like our Father in Heaven teaching us, teaching that you appreciate them, and that you love them, that they are under condemnation to vary with you, and see that lightly the things of God. And they have done this because of unbelief, and that maybe the parents have contributed to send you to this attitude in their character, and begin to show them that the disease isn't bad, if it's part of your first stages and cure it and get them in a position where they stop saying yay lord, nay lord and living alive on the inside until sooner or later the crisis is going to approach the mom and the sister the wife to the man or the children in relation to the parent the crisis is going to come where there's two nations
They have to be exposed. And make it possible, dear brethren, for your women and children to approach you, and teach them how to approach you, to help, and then be prepared to give it to you. Let them tell you their thoughts and feelings, and if they're too serious, they might put some of you in bed for a week. They might shock others of you into your tears.
into working seriously on your mind. But whatever it does, control yourself and develop the character and perspective to see the content of these people in your family so that you can actually realize what's behind that smiling face and those delightful lips and the attitude of physical obedience. See what's behind it all.
so that you can truthfully say and know that you're not kidding yourself, that you know your wife like you know the palm of your hand, and you know your daughter like you know the palm of your hand, and you know your son like you know the palm of your hand, like your father, your mother, your father, many sons and daughters sitting here tonight, and wives to have the peace to know more about their character than their own sons or husbands now.
up a wall. The girl says, I can't approach my father. If I were to reveal this to him, he'd blow his top. So if our daddy knew that I actually felt like that, he'd never sleep with me again. I do it every day. I do it every day. And I know that it's true. I know that it's a true condition of many of our people. And so we have just kitted ourselves for so long.
without the conviction you're in. But I want to tell you, dear children, that there's nothing pleasanter, nothing more cleansing than to get to know ourselves and find out what diseases we have and begin to cure under the direction of the Lord. I want to tell you who he is. Come unto me, you who labor, my heavy laden, and I will give you...
Take my yoke upon you, for my yoke is easy, and we consider the love we have for one another in our imperfect and fallen state. How great must be the love of our hearts, for it is a manifested love to come right to you. By the greatest moment that comes into the life of a husband, when the woman approaches him and says, Daddy.
After all my flying and kicking, after all my experience, only desire now, what now, after all these years of such great joy and satisfaction, that he would go the limit, go the disease, go left and right, in preparation to give everything that belonged to him at that moment, so to resist the child, no matter what the child could do.
Turned over a million dollars to him. He ran his own. He mowed his lawn. He appeared to be the most obedient person in the world. The greatest thrill of his coming to the Father was for him to come and say, Father, you're my only desire. Father's all that the Father couldn't forgive and forget. And that strength wouldn't reach you to bring the boy up to where he's going to be.
This is a good work to me. These things are good principles to me. If you want to dwell in mysticism and talk about the holy realms of mystery and life eternal and joy and peace and living, you ought to go to the Holy Relics. Beautiful things of eternal bliss are painted on the listener's head. At this time, I'd symbolize the things of people to sleep in their sleep.
I want to tell you the joy that comes into my soul is the true indication that my father and the brethren on the other side are interested enough in this people and in this work to reveal to us the truth line upon line and piece up after piece up is to reveal to us the way back into their presence of how to become congenial with the church, of how to assimilate ourselves into well-likeness. This is the joy of the gospel of the fullness of time, at this particular time. But in giving us these revelations, the revelations themselves reveal the art that is revealed to us. And so I'm giving these things to you.
to reveal to us our power and our ability to act. Then we decide to run from down the dirt. The least struggle, the most struggle that I can do for you is a relief for I can do after I have spent so many years serving the objects of this world. I'd like to spend a lifetime serving my God.
This, that's the attitude of every great man and woman who has been enlightened and who has recognized their ailments and their conditions. My brothers and sisters, let us go from this meeting. Heads of homes, let us go into our secret places and find out what things we are doing foolishly to keep disrupting.
and confusing those we doubt. And let's find out and determine through the inspiration of the Lord our will that we were sent to deliver to them rather than the will of the Lord. And sisters, let us seek it as we awaken and rise to the opportunity of seeing a new life in our components and the new revelations that they bear. And we will.
begin to yield to him. And children, keep following the ways and the spirit of the world and honoring your parents. But honor them the way the Lord has told you to and that's to do their will. That's to give us the honor that we can give to others and not their father. Their will.
the spirit of the world and will be alive in indignation. God came to me with only a thousand dollars as a gift. The gift will be alive in a moment of indignation when it feels like I've said to myself, my God, do you see what these gifts are?
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