Talk of Guy H. Musser, Hildale, 4 September 1960
4 September 1960
Talk of Guy H. Musser, Hildale, 4 September 1960
A talk by Guy H. Musser at a general meeting in Hildale. The archive file is labeled Guy H. Musser. The automatic transcript of the opening does not clearly name the speaker. The text is an automatic, unreviewed transcript of the recording, lightly paragraphed for reading. The recording itself is the source.
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I rejoice, brothers and sisters, in having this privilege of being here today and seeing you again, communicating with my brother. The people of God are my most cherished possession. I don't remember a time in my mortal life, polygamous children and women, to let you know. Not because I despise you.
people of god but i would like to see them go through this life and the faith and the secure ways and walk through the veil into the presence of the lord and this is my greatest desire for all of you also understand the humanity that exists in each and every one of us and i realize that one experience is not enough for us but we must have it experience after experience after experience by making mistakes in order to teach it. Our father doesn't want this, but it appears as though this is the nature of man. And whatever I might say, it says with the desire that we quit making as many mistakes as we can in our lives. I'm sure.
and brother hammond particularly and the other brother i was supposed to subject that i might speak on today to you and in referring to it i'll just try to confirm and sustain what they have tried to bring to your attention this problem has not got out of bounds yet and let us hope that it won't But there are thunderings and lightnings and warnings, invocations. For the people here are beginning to develop the attitude that this is the only place in the world that the Lord will bless and they can get their salvation. Now you would think that the experience that our forefathers had in Zion's camp would be the first and the last experience necessary in this regard. But apparently, this hasn't been done. And no doubt, although Brother Young had colonies from Canada on the north and Mexico on the south, some colonies tried to get here. It proved to them that they were the saviors of heaven. Now,
Let's speak of this thing with a few remarks from the prophet concerning spiritual gift brethren. And those people were as great as we are. I would not have you ignorant. We know that you were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as you were led. Wherefore I give to you understanding that no man speaketh by the Spirit of God, calleth Jesus a curse, and that no man can say that Jesus is the Christ, saved by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but by the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administration, but by the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestations of the Spirit is given to every man to profit with all. I won't read this all. but i give it to you to trust that there is no strengthen for by one spirit are we all baptized unto one body whether we be jews or gentiles whether we be bond or free and have been all made to drink into one spirit for the body is not one member but many If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole the hearing?
Where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members, every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the bodies? But now there are many members, but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee. Nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of thee, Mary. Much more those members of the body which seem to be more feeble are necessary. And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, upon these we bestow more abundant honor, and our uncommon parts have more abundant.
There is no man alive or dead that would rather see the Lord redeem us tomorrow than myself. But certainly, we must come up to a certain place before this can be done. How do you know whether it's a man in Salt Lake or Brother Sandoval in Old Mexico? of Brother Blackmore in Canada whose prayer is for you as they left much. How can you say that this project is the only project that our Father has? Even if we hate it to live in this community and abide by these rules, that we will be damned. I prefer to think that my Father's prayer is in the spirit world.
as they look more for me than my own prayers do. Have you ever stopped to think where the help has come from for this community? The only debt that I have incurred is to borrow money for this community. And the banks don't live here. They live in the Gentile world. There's a group of people in the north, on the planet, That the Lord is working day and night with you to bring forth, to help combat your very enemy. There's a group of people in Yucatan and elsewhere that the Lord is working day and night with you that there might be a battle out so that you and you and you won't have to shed blood. There's a group of people in Canada who can say, That the Lord has placed upon them his most cherished blessing. There's a group of people in old Mexico. That the Lord is opening the way. To bring to pass a miracle among them. There are prophets alive working in old Jerusalem. To take care of that part of his work. And there is a dishonorable, there is a dishonorable band. In Salt Lake. That is working to bring to pass.
the redemption of this land here, as well as this air. It's a common feeling, and it's a feeling that I first met in the mission field, that the elders would fight over the fact that the branch of the field they labored in was the best and the most important field in the church. When they broke up...
some pieces of paper in the absence of the mission sergeant and wrote the seven different districts of the mission in it. We asked to reach in the hat and pick out our field of labor by revelation. I picked out East Tennessee. The man who held the hat dropped Brother Freeman from Arizona over there someplace. He said, well, there must be you deserve more than that.
says that's the worst place in the east central states how can you fight with revelation it was the only place in the mission that i could work without person's gift so i suppose it was the other way but there it is the same old humbug that besets every christian you find it among the catholics in their cathedral You'll find it among the Mormons in their war. This Lord is the favorite of the church. The favorite of church material. This district is the favorite. Now why, after driving and skirting and having this place actually sacked, will we revert for one split second to such an idea?
Everything you've got without feeling that this is the only place you can be saved in. I realize that men, I consider it a mistake, now others may not. Tell certain families, in order to get them to do a job they want done, that they are the only ones. But it's not true. to tell me that a family of four wives can be treated like that? Isn't one just as important as the other? Isn't it possible for a child to be saved in one as in the other? If not, then we are lost. I realize that I am as well as you making a tremendous effort to regenerate and reinstitute The powers and the rights of the priesthood in our settlement here. But does that mean that we have to go through the same old problem of dividing the sin? Because the church people tell the Salt Lake people and any other people who live where they can get the money from the bank that we have no need of greed.
and that you're cursed, and that you come down and live here. The only thing that will curse a man or woman is to refuse to do what the present tells him to do. And what does this cause? It's laughable to me, and I know that humiliation is going to be the direct result, even though it takes a few months for it to come. But the thing that makes me bleed, And because, since my earliest recollection, I've been wiping up blood, either in somebody else's family or my own father's family, which causes division, which has to be passed and reconciled. And that's the hardest road to travel, is to bring together the divided Senate, so that they can be united.
Now the apostleship here has been appointed to unite the people, to edify the body and to unite it all in one. And this thing will not only cause to bring humiliation upon you, those who participate in it and the people participate in it elsewhere, it'll do the same for them. This rule goes for everybody. It goes for those on the planet among the ten tribes.
or for anybody else but the thing that it will do is to cause disaffection to come among us and that's just exactly what the devil wants to cause us to be disaffected one towards another so that the heart of the northern man does not beat with the heart of the southern man and vice versa and before the lord can actually give us what we want And give us power to overcome the things that's threatening us right now in secret. As you know. What was going on in secret. Against this people. Both here and elsewhere. You would run from these valleys. From these mountain homes. And try to hide. As my devout prayer that the Lord will turn the battle. And I have faith. That he will. But he's likely to not do it.
If we're divided and a disaffected people, you're looking at me now and which one of your eyes is doing more looking? When you walk out of here, which one of your feet bears the greatest weight of your body? Normal person, how are you going to tell and for this arm to keep needling this arm that is doing more of the work of the body? The body becomes disaffected and divided and disunited.
And I have trouble with it. And so it is with the saints. And if the people up north there are saying the same thing, why are they to be criticized? And this criticism reaches as far as this incorrect principle comes into the lives of the people, wherever they are, the ones in old Mexico, the ones in Canada, anywhere. This criticism could fit them.
And we should begin to realize, as the Lord said, other sheep I have that are not of this fold or that fold or that fold. And you'll find that the President has other sheep. And to them he visits and gives power and instruction and revelation. I thought that it might be a good thing to express this disaffection. What's going on if we don't stop?
If we don't get out of this habit, and if it's not stopped before it gets to serious start, then we'll find that we're going to be humiliated again. And those who are the most dishonorable may become our greatest benefactors when we are humiliated. That's what generally happens. It has in my life. So we ought not to have this attitude.
who is united with Sergeant Johnson, is united with everything that he thinks and does, no matter where it is. And a person who is not united with him is not united with anything. And if it's this man or this woman's job to be on a mission someplace else, that man or that woman is just as honorable as we are. If their job seems to be a little...
uh more a little cleaner than our job it's just a matter of human therapy to think that you have the sand to contend with which is clean and pure where the man there has the incorruption moral interruption which is filth and dirt and the frivolousness to combat and still remain faithful so brethren and sisters If we're going to please the Lord, let us begin to help one another and to be kind to each other on our mission. If your mission is to build a house here, I want to pray for you. I want to long for you. Every time you hit your finger, I want to feel for you. And I have. If my mission is to go over into Nevada, I want you to pray for me.
And ask the powers of heaven to be merciful upon me. And to look after me. And to keep the sun from beating down on me. And to raise up friends to help me. That's what I want you to do. Just like I want to ask the Lord to bless you. Just like the brethren on the other side are praying for our welfare. That's an important part of the work of the Lord too. And we don't happen to be there.
It's a very important part. And I'm not going to say to this place a child, a woman, a man in Salt Lake. Well, I don't know whether I want you to pray for me or not. I'm going to send word down to this Colorado city here because that's the only place there's any faith and get them to pray for me. It's quite laughable, isn't it? That very thing is what helped to humiliate me a few years ago.
It goes up into everybody's ears. Then the people here start fighting with the people there, and the people there start fighting with the people here. Mentally, that's what I mean. Of course, when the surgeon comes among us, none of us fight. We put our mentalities and our moral differences in our back pockets and put our guns and our arrows away. But when he goes again, we start in again on one another.
Now this is disaffection. And it's not right. It's not right. And I'm not accusing the people. I'm sure that these brethren here with me have stalled upon this subject. And it concerns them. But I want them to know that I stand in back of them in protest of any such action. I realize that the spirit of the world is that you've got to infuse people and make them drunk to get them to your point.
of endeavor well that's perfectly all right if that's the way that things want to be done but the principle of the matter is is that the lord is the lord of all his operations and if you address all those who are blessing his work and the future is to become completely united with your health and that's turkey johnson united with him wherever you're labeled honorable, and just to the Lord. And the Lord won't always be so. Because the receptor, the spy, there's his father. Father had worked 50 years in a very wise and student way to keep Stacey away from his enemies. With the fear that, pardon me, with the fear that trade caught him. And so he began to do a lot of other things.
Pastor Setzer was there. He brought his piece of chalk to Setzer and said, Now here they are, you, and nobody else can do anything about it. Well, it wasn't very long before somebody else began to do something about it. An old, aged father was held in the court. Pastor Setzer got up and testified. That's exactly what Father said and did him.
He always got up and said, I'm going to do something about this law break. So when the trial was over, the forefather went to jail and said, well, it looks like somebody did something about it, doesn't it? And then he says, remember, that there are many times that you might think the Lord will do something, but he won't. So brothers and sisters, our only faith course is to...
Do what is right, and let the consequence fall on you. Because the Lord may not always stand behind what you do, unless it is right. And sometimes, to protect himself, he can't even stand behind that at that present moment. It's long afterwards that he has to support it. Another thing that I want to mention before I sit down and I resist.
has been brought up, I suppose, many times in connection with how to dignify the work of the Lord. This has caused some delusion among the people, and I haven't appreciated it being brought up the way it has been brought up. I know that nobody's going to change you but yourself, and nobody's going to change me but myself.
and john d rockefeller has set a wonderful example before me that i haven't seen all we hear is dignify the west dignify the west dignify the west how can this work be dignified don't you know brothers and sisters that dignity is an attribute of the character you do not throw a closer dignity upon a child you do not covering by icing with it, like a woman icing a cake. It's a creation. Some men and women and children are born with a greater degree of dignity than others. But wherever it begins to be created within the character of man, it's a creation. It's an attribute of the character and cannot be forced upon people.
People have to be trained. They have to first have a desire to attain to it, and then have to be trained how to get it and use it. And it's very impractical to buy an undignified person a new suit to dignify him. It's very impractical to buy an undignified woman a new house to dignify her.
You cannot turn the jacquard into a beautiful horse by providing a wonderful lawn for it to grow from. Build a jacquard and to get it back into the realm and the character of a horse must be done by breeding and turning. The people bring them up now in regard to these things and all the 20 years that I have been teaching among the people.
I have never advocated that they go into debt. They do this, they do that to dignify the principle because I know what it requires. In my own home, we haven't painted or papered or done anything for 13 or 14 years. And by the looks of things, it may be that many more years because I see the needs of other people. I see your needs and everybody else's needs. And I have come to the place All I need is a place to lay down, whether it's the floor or bed. And my food has to be very, very common. If it isn't very, very common, it brings trouble to my body. I have never advocated that people go into debt, that they buy expensive homes or expensive cars.
in order to dignify themselves, in order to dignify the principle. You think that David O. McKay is dignifying the principles of the everlasting gospel? Why, no. They have luxuries beyond our fondest imagination. I have seen in my own 50 years women placed in new homes that desecrated their homes. I've seen men given new cars.
that broke the cars up. I've seen men gather money to buy people new suits, but as soon as a man got a new suit on, he cut it to pieces. This is an incorrect principle. This matter of dignity, of making, of bringing light and fineness to everything that you touch is a matter of creation, in the character, and it cannot be shown to people.
are offered to them only through sacrifice and things. And many of our people have made the mistake of going into it with debt, to buy homes and buy cars. They've given their women sex books, charge accounts, in order to dignify them, to dignify the principle. Good Lord, how are you going to dignify the principle with a rubber check?
That's the surest way to bring it into damnation. One rubber check, one bill unpaid will do more to dethrone the dignity of poor marriage among those who live it than a man going around in clean overalls in it. For you, this is the idea we have. We need to be trained along the proper lines. If you want to dignify the work of your father, You'd better treat it like he treats it. There's been lots of things told about me by my enemies, about this missionary way. I've been in the mission field for 32 years, since I was 18 years old. I've had some people say that I was too good to stay in certain houses, too good to eat certain foods, and all these things. Do I appreciate dirty places or dirty food? No, but I'm not too good.
I could tell you about three years' experiences, and it would open your eyes. But I'm willing to joke about them, and I'm willing to tell the truth. Because I'm telling the truth about them, there's no reason that I'm criticizing. In a very honorable house in one of these communities, my father and myself, to show you what I'm trying to get over. My father and myself were given a bed one night, a few years ago.
So we laid down in the bed, and he said, good night, my boy. He said, now, if you're not here in the morning, I'll know that the book bugs have carried you away. And he started to snore and went to sleep. That's me just wondering how safe I was. But now, why not be able to joke about austerity? Brother Johnson puts everybody at ease, and I try to too.
But if you'll ask me, can I borrow your comb, brother Matthew, to comb my hair this morning? The spirit of the world is to do this. Don't you dare say anything about me. Now, sorry. That's our problem. Our biggest problem. You've seen the worst food in the world. I wasn't grateful for it. It hasn't come from me. Eat dicks, and you've got to be willing to let me joke about it. To let me fight bugs all night.
You've got to be willing to let me tell a few stories. One good turn to go is another. Exactly the way I feel about these things. And if your skin is so thin about a secret that you've got in your bed, you'd better get rid of the secret and not let me know anything about it. Because I'm liable to report it. That's the way I feel about those kind of things. But we do need to dignify the work of our people. We do need to dignify the people.
I've told the brethren and sisters, and they've laughed at me, but I've told them, brethren and sisters, if you find yourself in a foolish position, tell people you're a Catholic. Let the devil bear the blame for your problems. Instead of telling people that you're the Lord, let the devil tell them that you're a state president. Tell them anything. But don't...
Tell them that you're a polygamist. Don't you know that polygamy has got to yet live down stories that are heaven high? And I don't know how you'll ever do it. If we find ourselves in debt and cheating our neighbors, why not tell the people that we're somebody else? If you get caught drunk someplace, why not tell the people that you're begging that you're passing the mistake?
If we write a bad check, why not divert their attention and not be so willing and ready to bring the blame back home? And a principle that is bearing so much blame now that no good can be said of it except among ourselves. And we don't have much power. You just look around and see if I'm not telling you the truth.
I was sitting with my father one day, and of course, as nature will have it, why some people were asking him why he didn't have the authority to give him the endowment. And when they left, he says, do you have that question on your mind, God? I said, no, I already have my endowment. I don't have that question. But I know everybody else does. Well, he said, let me tell you something.
He says, I could give people their endowment, but if I gave that very man his endowment, he would do the same thing with the endowment that he did with the new wife I gave him, go and tell everybody. There's the key. And as long as that condition exists, we will not trust him. Imagine the humiliation and the persecution.
In the last 30 years, it had been taught, from this other information going out, that imagine the warfare that would exist if endowments were given and revealed. And how many are sitting here today who could be seasoned without telling a friend, a cousin, a brother, Jack or John, a wife or a child, who said, I have received the most, the greatest blessing in my life. Now, if you will go get close to Brother Johnson, or Brother Master, or Brother Herman, why, they'll be able to give you the same blessing. So, brethren and sisters, signifying the work of God, is developing this characteristic within us. I heard J. Golden Kindle once say something about my father, where he was talking.
about the situation. We were related to him and him to us, right? Father didn't have very good clothes to wear. That's the picture of time. Some remarks were made. The other thing was said that you don't have to worry. Joe will make anything that he has look good. He will look good in anything that he has. He has dignity. The government did it.
He put a dignified man on a tractor, and he will dignify the tractor. He put a dignified man in a pig pen, and he will stand up and dignify it. So the foolishness of spending great amounts of money to work this thing through has wasted our resources and some men's lives, and they're paying high for it.
It would be better to take this poor girl that has no dignity and spend two or three years in creating and developing the characteristic dignity within her. It would be better to take this undignified man and spend a few years with him to create within him that characteristic. And then every...
place he goes and everything he touches, he would be liked and dignified. And so the woman, you could buy her a $3,000 house, and within a few weeks' time, she would be liked and dignified and beautiful. Or you could give her the $20,000 house, and in a month's time, it would look like a pigsty.
So in many things we have been pursuing the wrong course in these things and I just wanted you folks to understand my feelings in this regard. Because I don't want to appear as a high and mighty person before you not willing and not thinking that I should condescend to do this or that. I've never had a house in my life.
I didn't have to clean up a car in my life. It was me. The rest had to clean up somebody else's trouble. Most of my life, I have worn other people's clothes. And I think some of the clothes I have on today. And this is all right. I appreciate it. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm not entitled to the five-year-old shoes that I've got on. That every blessing I have has accrued to me.
Because of the faithfulness of my father, and because the brethren are willing to let me have a chance to serve and perhaps come to the place where I can deserve on my own account, as he thinks. I know that, brother and mother, every fiber of his being knows it. He knows it, he knows it, he knows it, Joseph, his father knows it.
And he knows it. He knows that they know he knows it. That I am unworthy. Proven yet. Not necessarily the right. Because my own personal right. To pay. For what has been done for me. I know that. And begin to get us on the right foot. So we can be. In everyone. Meaning of it. God but friend of one another. He won't permit. People to disaffect him.
There's people in my office all the time trying to disrespect us by pointing out our weaknesses, pointing out what we say about one another, pointing out what you say about those people, what those people say about you people. And if it isn't stopped, if we can't get behind Brother Johnson and unite behind him, then we're lost. And it's only a matter of time that we'll be slipping and driven into the woods again.
And these brethren behind me and myself will be going out with searchlights, searching us all out, bringing us in, going through the process again of building up a group of people. That's just exactly what will happen to us. The Lord bless you.
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